Something in the world of floating have you stumped?
Show Highlights
Float centers, it has been said, are nearly in the shower business as much as they are in the float business. In fact, float centers run twice as many showers as floats. No doubt about it, they are an important part of the float experience, as is designing them.
So do you include shower screens or doors? Graham and Ashkahn weigh in and share why the think it’s better to skip the door altogether, and dispel any sort of benefit that it may appear to have for a float center.
Listen to Just the Audio
Transcription of this episode… (in case you prefer reading)
Ashkahn: Okay.
Graham: Hello everybody.
Ashkahn: Hey, hey.
Graham: Everybody out there.
Ashkahn: We’re listening.
Graham: I almost went into another intro there. It’s dangerous. So, I’m Graham.
Ashkahn: I’m Ashkahn.
Graham: And today’s question is, “to have or not to have a shower screen in your float room?”
Ashkahn: That is the question.
Graham: Timeless.
Ashkahn: Shower screen.
Graham: Yeah, what does a shower screen mean to you Ashkahn?
Ashkahn: A shower screen to me means, a T.V. screen in the shower so people can watch movies and stuff. Is that what he’s talking about? He or she?
Graham: I did a quick google search and what popped up was a bunch of glass walls in front of showers.
Ashkahn: It makes sense. T.V.s have glass in them too.
Graham: Probably like a screen to block water and it may or may not also project moving pictures.
Ashkahn: So yeah those little glass partitions.
Graham: So here is the funny thing, it didn’t even really matter what shower screen meant in this context because my answer is going to be the same no matter what.
Ashkahn: Well, okay.
Graham: Which is no, I don’t think it should have a shower screen.
Ashkahn: Ideally not.
Graham: But especially if the definition of shower screen is actually what the definition is, which is a big glass partition. And there are cases where I could see, maybe which is what you were getting at, it would be useful, but just in my mind the less things there are to clean in any room, the better. And glass shows any spots and then little bits of salt so well. It just needs so much extra time during a transition cleaning if it’s in there.
Ashkahn: To me its like a last ditch effort. If you are just super, super tight on space, at a certain point a glass partition is less annoying than people’s clothes getting wet all the time because there is no where to put your clothes.
Graham: Maybe some kind of intricate cubby system or a hook and pulley sort of thing where they hang their clothes up and they get hoisted up to the ceiling.
Ashkahn: Okay that sounds simple. Really, ideally not. I mean I have the same sentiment. Which is I would have to be pushed pretty far to want something like that in my float room just because it’s super annoying. We have had shower doors before and glass especially really. To make it look good you have to spray it and squeegee it every single time otherwise it just doesn’t look really that nice in the room.
Graham: Yeah, and it’s a really easy way, I mean a big glass wall that looks spotty. Especially flecked with little crystallized bits of white salt. It’s a great way to make it look like you didn’t clean anything in the room.
Ashkahn: Yeah and you should be really careful about how it is connecting to the rest of the room. If you have a real long section on the floor where its touching or the wall, those kinds of crevices are really easy places for mold and mildew to build up. So I would almost want a shower screen that was glass that maybe the hinges are connected and it has a little gap between it and the wall or ground or something to make it so that there is not a bunch of crevices that are going to build things up over time.
Graham: Yeah when we had a glass enclosure, and when we had more than what a shower screen is, we had glass walls surrounding the entire thing with a glass door. All of those were framed in chrome, which in addition to the glass being hard to keep clean, the chrome was also really hard to keep clean. And the unions where the chrome would connect to the glass would get funky over time and it would take even more time to make sure that was pristine. I assume that is what you’re referring to Ashkahn as anything that is really joining the glass.
Ashkahn: Yeah but even without the chrome and anything like that I have seen shower screens in people’s float centers that are literally just a piece of glass and that glass with a line of caulking along the floor and along the wall. And still those areas are just really easy to have build up of stuff and they start to look bad and things. So it’s possible, sometimes you see that glass that can be suspended by just the few connections points that it’s connecting to the wall and it doesn’t rely on standing on the ground for it’s actual support. That sounds better to me than having a line of caulking or something.
Graham: Yeah. Yeah, I’d totally agree. And if you are doing that you obviously need some strong supports behind there. You can’t just suddenly screw one of those onto your wall.
Ashkahn: Yeah, a little gum sticky on there.
Graham: So this goes for really anything. We very much moved to this idea of an open shower concept as being the best. It comes down to wanting to be able to turn over the rooms really fast. When we say these things like, “Oh well it’ll take that much longer to squeegee down this shower screen and make sure it’s all clean and nice for the next person,” those are valuable minutes or even seconds when someone is going into the room and cleaning up. Ideally it’s one of our sayings that we’ll spend $5,000 to save five seconds off a transition just because that’s how important it is when you are trying in this short period of time to turn over a room from someone else, get the next customer in, and have everything be both sanitary and as visually appealing as possible.
Ashkahn: If you are thinking about a shower screen as something that’s protecting the rest of your room from the water of the shower, then you are probably not thinking about your float room construction quite correctly. If anything, the only time I see it is utilities, you have a tiny room that is no way for you to have a place where people can put clothes that’s not going to get splashed by the shower and that is a pretty small changing area. Most float centers have enough space. The distance away from the shower is perfectly fine and it doesn’t get your clothes wet.
But if you are saying I should have a shower screen because I don’t want the water to splash much further past that because then it will it my walls and damage my walls, then you are probably going to be in trouble even with the shower screen. The shower screen is not going to stop the rest of the room from getting wet and getting salty and slowly getting damage. So if you are thinking of it as something that is preventing you from having to do more waterproofing further in the room, I would say that is not the right mentality to go into building your room.
Graham: Yeah maybe at best it’ll delay some of the damage, but even then treating the entire room the float tank is in is pretty much a wet room and wet environment. Beyond the shower enclosure I think is pretty key.
Ashkahn: Yeah.
Graham: So, yeah our opinion is don’t have them. Don’t have shower screens. Don’t have shower curtains. Take out as much in the room as you possibly can in fact. The less that is in there, the less there is to clean, the less there is to worry about puncturing your walls, the less there is to worry about scratching things or just causing problems down the road. Even putting up the shower screen and using a bracket going into the wall, that’s one more hole that you have to have in your water proofing and one more thing that you have to then go back and protect and caulk all the time. For so many reasons reducing the number of elements you have in your room and reducing the number of times you have to puncture a wall I think is always worthwhile.
Ashkahn: Unless you are talking about T.V. screens in which case sounds kind of cool.
Graham: Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree.
Ashkahn: I’m just thinking full flat, the whole wall is a giant T.V. screen, really just blast people with sensory stimulation right before and after their float. Sounds like the right setup.
Graham: Well if anyone out there agrees with Ashkahn, go on over to floattanksolutions.com/podcast and let us know. I’ll be shocked.
Ashkahn: Alright, we’ll talk to you tomorrow.
Graham: Bye everyone.
Recent Podcast Episodes
Can People Undergoing Chemotherapy Float? – DSP 159
Naturally, most float centers want to be available for anyone who needs it, but there are practical limitations that they may not know about with certain conditions. Is there any risk or issue to having someone with cancer float in a float center? Do they need special instruction or care? Are float centers opening themselves up to liability by providing them floats?
Ashkahn and Graham answer a few of these questions, but the most important thing to remember is to consult the patient’s doctor. Leave the medical advice to the professionals.
Quick ways to get cash now for your business – DSP 158
Being strapped for cash isn’t a fun situation to be in. With an operating business, you have options, fortunately.
Graham and Ashkahn brainstorm some ideas for quick cash and some they’ve even used at Float On when a surprise expense has come up. It’s worth noting that to get money in the short term, you’re likely sacrificing something in the long term.
Avoiding Soundproofing Mistakes During Float Tank Installation – DSP 157
Obviously float center construction is expensive, in no small part due to the soundproofing in each of your rooms. The last thing you want to do is screw it up by making a simple mistake when installing your float tanks.
Graham and Ashkahn delve into everything you need to consider during installation to not screw up your soundproofing, including what additional materials to purchase and how to ideally set up your float rooms.
Book recommendations for Float center owners – DSP 156
It’s no secret Graham and Ashkahn love to read, often about business methodology and philosophy. In this episode, they provide a list of the books they would consider to be their biggest influences that helped shape their own business philosophies and methods, along with what exactly about each of these titles is so interesting and engaging.
Does it matter how you order your filtration equipment on a float tank? – DSP 155
When setting up your float tank, it can be tempting to look at the spa pack and imagine how much more convenient it would be if the pieces were rearranged a little bit. So… is there a particular order to the filtration equipment? Why or why not?
Fortunately, Graham and Ashkahn have painfully researched this issue and know all the ins and outs of water treatment systems for float tanks and why they are the way they are.
Latest Blog Posts
The Best Time to Start a Float Center
It's not today. Today is a great time to start a float center, but that's not the best time. The best time was a year ago. Or a month ago. Or yesterday. I've had the pleasure of seeing people from their first, innocent float all the way through opening the doors on...
Getting to Know Your Epsom Salt
Epsom salt has uses ranging from personal care to large-scale agriculture, and, of course, it is the salt that brings the ‘float’ to float tanks. Since it plays such a key role in our industry, and in maintaining the chemical balance of our beloved float tanks, we...
5 of the First Things To Do if You Want to Start a Float Center
One of the most interesting things I’ve discovered by fielding calls and emails from people through Float Tank Solutions is that floatation therapy has an uncanny ability to grab people. I’ve spoken to many dedicated floaters, still amazed by the therapy after decades...
Meet the Float Tank Solutions Team
We've met a good deal of you in person at the Float Conference, or at Float On in Portland. Some of us (mostly the easily identifiable ones with the larger facial hair) can even be seen in many an online video discussing salt buildup and small business. For some of...
